Erik's Jury Question

[Sandy]

This is where Erik will post a question/statement to the Final 2

Joey + Lorii will reply here with their answers as well.

[erik]

Well well, look what we have here. Joey and Lorii. The two Benedict Arnolds. It’s no secret that I’m not that happy about this Final Two mainly because I still don’t hold any respect for what you guys did, but you made it here nonetheless. I have tried not to be a bitter betty, but it’s hard not to be after how shitty the two of you made me feel. But it is a game, and I spose you both put that first and foremost, and that’s why you’re standing here. You're the underdogs, right?!!! You had so much to prove and would do anything to make sure everyone just KNEW you weren't a total loser, and you did it. Do I like it? No. But I’m sure you’re very proud of yourselves for all your accomplishments, and that’s great.

You two were truly the underdogs of this game. It is SO friggen ironic really...like you both stated in your openings...when I look back to that very first challenge on Day 1 of this game when I literally had to force feed you *both* answers to puzzles in that first challenge in order for you to stay in the game. I really enjoyed meeting you both and took an investment in our friendship by first putting Joey above Zack in points, saving him from last place, and then putting Lorii above Zack as well, saving her from elimination and effectively eliminating Zack instead. I don't even know if *you* guys ever figured out that I did it with the two of you both. I thought it would help stoke our friendship into growing further and I thought it would help you guys trust me. It was obviously a mistake on my part.

Really, this was one of the most amazing underdog stories ever. You guys were both almost eliminated in Round 1. You both came here with something to prove. You jumped ship on what I thought were your friends and your alliance (maybe not the case now) and you proceeded to mercilessly take them all down and get to Final 2 with each other. Normally, I would be really excited about a story like this. But it’s hard to be excited when I was one of the necks you had to slit along the way.

To be perfectly honest, I am glad Sandy has been rushing this game as of late and I am ready to put it behind me. I would appreciate speedy jury answers to get it over with even quicker. I don’t play these often any more, and I didn’t play this one to win. I played it for a happy ending. I played it to meet people, and to make and strengthen friendships I already had. The game of Survivor really is a test of friendship in my opinion, and what it means to you. There’s no cash prize at the end. Nothing really but the glory of knowing that in this particular ORG you were able to conquer the rest and end up on top. To me, that prize is far overshadowed by the prize of a good friend. Someone you can count on…someone you can trust. I am glad to have met some of those people in this game, and they are the only things that console me from the miserable way this game played out. Britt and Alex you guys are amazing and I never once doubted what we had, and that is very comforting to know. Jeffrey, you surprised me a lot and I hope we remain friends after this. Oh and Kirin is amazing too . Robbie....maybe you'll talk to me after the game.

Now, back to Joey and Lorii, I *thought* we were really tight, close enough where y’all wouldn’t do certain things that you did end up doing. Joey, for example, swore up and down he only came after me and our alliance because of a PM by Alex that Lorii sent him. However, it has since come through that he wanted to target me even before that. Lorii….in a HUGE shocker to me, actually swore on our *friendship* that she didn’t send Joey the PM. She says she (and I quote) "managed to bullshit and talk enough to keep myself safe" which was not true at ALL. We all friggen knew it was Lorii but didn't vote her out because I thought we were good enough friends where a stupid PM she sent to Joey wouldn't change my opinion of her at all. I thought so fucking highly of you Lorii, and you just really revealed to me how fake all of your bullshit really was. I NEVER would have lied to you….I doubt I ever would have been able to vote you out. I thought the world of your Lorii, and you shat all over that, so it’s not going to be easy to vote for you. That said, Joey wasn’t any better, and although he seems to have been a little more on top strategy-wise, my vote is completely up in the air at this point, and as much as I don’t want to, I will vote for one of you.

My first question, therefore, is that I would like to know about all the fucking lies, all of the bullshit you fed me from the very beginning. I want to know what was real, what was fake, and what was a total lie. It is the finals, so I hope you guys can finally be honest with me and I can know who the fuck I was talking to while I was in the game. This is a question to you both, by the way,

Secondly, I want to play a bit of a game. You two gave me a lot of bullshit while playing, and I am quite frankly tired of that. I am happy that neither of you have IMed me at all recently pandering me for my vote (Like Tucker). However, I don’t want to see an ass-kissing fest in this jury as you both battle for the votes it wields. Therefore, my second question is aimed at sorting through that. I am going to give you each a different list of 17 adjectives. It will then be your job to assign each jury member as well as your opponent TWO of these adjectives that you think best suit them, along with an explanation of why they were given those adjectives. The fun part about this game is that the adjectives are all very mean and poor qualities . Now, this isn’t to say that you exactly believe these things about these people. I’m sure they have very many good qualities too. But if you HAD to pick bad qualities, which would you assign them?? That is what I intend to find out. And please, no cop outs. Srsly. So, here are your lists:

Lorii:

Stupid
Arrogant
Ugly
Bitchy
Creepy
Disgusting
Inbred
Oblivious
Selfish
Lazy
Pitiful
Jealous
Ignorant
Vain
Pathetic
Foolish
Diseased

Joey:

Intolerable
Worthless
Lame
Disgruntled
Idiotic
Vomit Inducing
Hypocritical
Weak
Boring
Vile
Ass-Kisser
Dull
Canadian
Fat
Bi-Polar
Moronic
Evil

Brownie points to whoever answers first, I hate the “wait and see what my opponent says before I answer” strategy. If you guys are at all good at maths, you will notice that you'll each have 1 adjective left over that you do not have to use. I hope that you guys take the question seriously and give me some real answers.

That said, I have one more very short question that I would like to ask, but I will wait until I have these answers first to see if I even need to ask it. Thanks guys, and good luck! You both definitely played hard and I sincerely wish I could be happy about it. Deep down, I do hope you’re both the cool people I thought I knew . But whatever.

-Erik

[Joey]

My first question, therefore, is that I would like to know about all the fucking lies, all of the bullshit you fed me from the very beginning. I want to know what was real, what was fake, and what was a total lie. It is the finals, so I hope you guys can finally be honest with me and I can know who the fuck I was talking to while I was in the game. This is a question to you both, by the way.

As far as the stuff we shared personally, that was all me. I've said in my opening statement my relationships with people were always REAL. It was my strategic alliances that weren't always completely truth. In terms of what I lied to you about strategically, I will say I HONESTLY had your back up until Robbie was voted out. You will see in my journal. I KNEW you were a threat from day one Erik, but I liked you and I wanted to see you go far like most others (which is why you were a threat to me). Once Robbie left I felt like you're loyalty was stronger with other people. I told you I may have overreacted from Alex's PM, but in all honesty look where it got me? Can I be that bitter about it?

Once Robbie was gone I tried to stay in your good graces. Most of what I said to you was probably a lie. We never really had a relationship after Robbie's boot since the whole me jumping ship happened right after. Once I booted Kirin we didn't talk once so there was nothing for me to lie about But yes from Robbie's boot to Kirin, I was strictly trying to stay in your good graces.


Secondly, I want to play a bit of a game. You two gave me a lot of bullshit while playing, and I am quite frankly tired of that. I am happy that neither of you have IMed me at all recently pandering me for my vote (Like Tucker). However, I don’t want to see an ass-kissing fest in this jury as you both battle for the votes it wields. Therefore, my second question is aimed at sorting through that. I am going to give you each a different list of 17 adjectives. It will then be your job to assign each jury member as well as your opponent TWO of these adjectives that you think best suit them, along with an explanation of why they were given those adjectives. The fun part about this game is that the adjectives are all very mean and poor qualities . Now, this isn’t to say that you exactly believe these things about these people. I’m sure they have very many good qualities too. But if you HAD to pick bad qualities, which would you assign them?? That is what I intend to find out. And please, no cop outs. Srsly. So, here are your lists:

Joey:
Intolerable
Worthless
Lame
Disgruntled
Idiotic
Vomit Inducing
Hypocritical
Weak
Boring
Vile
Ass-Kisser
Dull
Canadian
Fat
Bi-Polar
Moronic
Evil

You can call it a cop-out, but I am not answering this question. Some of those words arent that bad, but the majority of them are cruel and I'm just not even going to touch them.

You can call me a hypocrite, but those words have nothing to do with the game. I was playing a game. Yes I betrayed or backstabbed but it wasn't out of cruelty, it was simply to get further. People betray people all the time. We've all been betrayed and we've all betrayed others in ORG's and if you say you haven't you are lying to yourself.

This game has no reflect on me as a person. I can assure you I am a very loyal and caring person to those in my life. I was simply playing a game. I do everything in my power to not be personal, hurtful, or cruel in these games and that is exactly what your question is asking me to do. I won't do it. It is not something I do in my real life and it's not something I do in games. My apologies if that does not satisfy you. You said yourself the game has no cash prize and its not worth it. I played the game and had fun and made moves. I'm sorry if I hurt feelings along the way but I won't go out of my way to do so now just to gain a vote. That is not worth it to me. I've done enough damage to people's feelings apparently, I won't do more.

[erik]

Aug 3, 2009 0:10:39 GMT -5 Joey said:

You can call it a cop-out, but I am not answering this question. Some of those words arent that bad, but the majority of them are cruel and I'm just not even going to touch them.

You can call me a hypocrite, but those words have nothing to do with the game. I was playing a game. Yes I betrayed or backstabbed but it wasn't out of cruelty, it was simply to get further. People betray people all the time. We've all been betrayed and we've all betrayed others in ORG's and if you say you haven't you are lying to yourself.

This game has no reflect on me as a person. I can assure you I am a very loyal and caring person to those in my life. I was simply playing a game. I do everything in my power to not be personal, hurtful, or cruel in these games and that is exactly what your question is asking me to do. I won't do it. It is not something I do in my real life and it's not something I do in games. My apologies if that does not satisfy you. You said yourself the game has no cash prize and its not worth it. I played the game and had fun and made moves. I'm sorry if I hurt feelings along the way but I won't go out of my way to do so now just to gain a vote. That is not worth it to me. I've done enough damage to people's feelings apparently, I won't do more.

This question is not made to hurt people's feelings as I don't think anyone could take the answers seriously. I know I wouldn't. It's more of a way for me to see how you react to an unwanted or uncomfortable situation. I'm surprised you can't answer this question after your "do anything to win" attitude in the game, but maybe you think it'll hurt your chances at winning answering this first? I dunno. Maybe. It was meant in jest and if you need me to "nicen-up" the adjectives a little I guess I can do that? I spose I'll see if Lorii has the balls to answer first though...

[Joey]

I wouldn't do anything to win. I'd never have voted out Robbie or Lorii. So there goes your theory on that..lol.

And regardless of how Lorii answers the question I won't be associating anyone with words like that. If it was more PG or strategy related than fine.

[erik]

Aug 3, 2009 0:31:48 GMT -5 Joey said:

I wouldn't do anything to win. I'd never have voted out Robbie or Lorii. So there goes your theory on that..lol.

And regardless of how Lorii answers the question I won't be associating anyone with words like that. If it was more PG or strategy related than fine.

Kay you stole the words PG from me but FINE. Again, this is more of a psychological experiment, which I always love. If Joey MUST have a tuned down set of answers, I can do that, it just isn't as fun. I will provide Joey with a PG adjective set. Lorii, I would prefer you tough it out and answer with the adjectives I have provided (I know I'm really curious and wont take offense), but if you would also like a Disney set, then let me know.


Joey, your new set is:

Relentless
Sneaky
Demonic
Absurd
Unusual
Ruthless
Insane
Belligerent
Careless
Timid
Typical
Quarrelsome
Erratic
Bi-Polar
Cynical
Abrasive
Forgetful


Hope this is acceptable .

[kirin]

Erik <3333333333

[downycanadian]

lmao @ canadian being an insult

[Joey]

Okay this Disney shit is 100% better. You know I live my life in a PG fashion. Here we go. I'll start with the first juror, and work my way down to Lorii.

Erik..
1. Absurd- I used this one, because if you truly believed anyone could get through this game without lying or betraying a friend than that would be an absurd thought. It would have had to happen, because so many people came into this game with people they already had relationships with. The only way to finish this game without betraying or backstabbing a friend was to get voted out early or quit before it got ugly. I clearly did not want to leave early, and there was no way I was going to quit the game.
2. Cynical- I use this word because I felt like you had that sort of mindset towards people who betrayed friends to get further. I don't blame your rationale or reasoning for your opinion. I totally understand where you are coming from, but I don't think you should be cynical in the sense of believeing either Lorii or myself are bad people, or that I would ever betray your trust or lie to you outside of a game context. I was strictly playing the game, and I don't think something like this should be a test of our friendship or my character. Not everyone is a bad person Erik.

RB...
1. Careless- I say careless for RB and I say it for one reason only. I think he was a little careless when he started to open up about his targeting of Tucker. I don't think he realized that people weren't being truthful to him, and he divulged way to much information about what his plans were. That clearly bit him in the ass as he was the next one to go after that big revelation.
2. Timid- I say timid for RB because I feel like he was very reserved with his gameplay. RB held his cards very close to his chest and he barely let anyone know what he was thinking. I think he laid back a little too much in the beginning of the game, and when he decided to finally make a big move it was just a little too late. He waited too long to make his move.

Britti....
1. Sneaky- Oh you bettah believe this girl was workin it. I knew Britti was a strategist and I knew she had major plans especially when she felt like her time may be limited the closer she got to her elimination. I always knew to be scared of Britti and I KNEW she was going to have some sort of master plan to get herself to the end. I just didn't know exactly what it was and LUCKILY I didn't find out until she was already gone..lol.
2. Bi-Polar- I use this word only to describe my RELATIONSHIP with Britti. We were never really close, we never really stategized with each other. Maybe it was a lack of commonality, or a difference in strategy but for whatever reason we never really clicked. However, towards the end of Britti's game and even after it we really bonded and became a lot closer. I felt 100 times more comfortable talking to Britti after the game then I ever did playing with her. Maybe it's because I was afraid of her..lol.

Jeffrey...
1. Ruthless- Obviously Jeffrey knew once it got down to six his chances weren't good. He took that time to just fucking rip into the rest of us into the game..lol. I'm not sure it went exactly as he had planned it to, but my goodness was he ruthless with words. He tore into us, and I know he hurt my feelings, even though some of it kind of was funny..lol.
2. Erratic- I say erratic for Jeffrey only because the behavior he showed us right before he left was so friggin out of left field. Jeffrey wasn't necessarily quiet, but I don't think he was one of the more outspoken people in the game. He raised his voice a few times to fight for what he believed in, esp. in regards to the Alyssa situation, but overall he was pretty mellow. However, when he freaked out on the rest of us, I was like HOLY SHIT where the hell is all of this coming from. It was just so random and confusing to me because it was so out of character for him, at least in the way I felt I knew Jeffrey to be.

Alex....
1. Relentless- I mean how could I not? I said it in my journal, I said it to him myself, I give Alex major kudos for never giving up. He knew he had a snowballs chance in hell of breaking through our alliance, but he never gave up trying to find a crack and squeeze his way in. I know it got on the nerves of some, but I couldn't help and respect the way he fought until the end. I told him I would have done the same thing, and that is the absolute truth. He never gave up and that deserves credit.
2. Belligerent- I wanted to make this funny and say belligerent because Alex loves to drink <3. I remember the one time he got wasted and apparently said something mean to maybe it was Alyssa? I don't think I was online at the time but apparently he offended people and made a whole thread apologizing the next day. I thought it brought major laffo's and a tipsy Alex always cracked me up.

Tucker...
1. Quarrelsome- I love my some Tucker, but he had some good fights. I know he got into it with Allan before he left. Then he and Robbie had some tiff, and he kept calling him a magician's asst because he disappeared, lmao. THEN he got into it with RB before he left (though RB may have instigated). Jeffrey of course was another fight (thought we all fought with him that night, lol). Of course he had that infamous fight with Alex before Alex left, and then at the end he told Evan that he road coattails. Definitely some interesting fights Tucker had, some of them were harsh, some were entertaining, but all in all they were always interesting.
2. Abrasive- I love you Tucker, but I will say sometimes I thought you were a little harsh. The one thing that comes to mind is probably the Alex fight you got into. I remember being a little shocked that you called him a dirty mexican or what not. I remember telling you that was harsh and then you said something about tacos and we moved on, lol. Anyway I don't agree that calling Alex those things was necessary, but I know your emotions were on high so I can only say as an observer that I did not agree, but still adore you regardless.

Evan....
1. Typical- I describe Evan as typical because one thing stood out in my mind. We had a conversation where we discussed how sometimes people go out in a shitty manner. I said I would feel hurt and betrayed like many of you feel if I got voted out, but I'd like to believe I'd never be cruel and hurtful. Evan agreed and said some people went out really shitty and he would never do that. So when I decided to stay loyal to my final two with Lorii, as opposed to my final two with Evan what did he do?...He in typical fashion freaked out on me and went out exactly as he said he WOULDN'T. I thought it was unfortunate, and I can't say I wouldn't be the same way if I was in his shoes. However, it didn't happen to me so no one can say if I would or wouldn't have reacted in the same typical fashion he said he wouldn't act in.
2. Insane- This word is a little harsh, but I ran out of adjectives, and I'm not gonna call him demonic. Why I used this word for Evan is simple. Before the final four challenge, our alliance was very kumbaya. I'm sure a bunch of you would have thrown up and called us borewhores, lol. We talked about how happy we were to have made it this far and we were a solid group that stuck together through it all. I said I wanted to remain friends with these people, and I meant it with all my heart. Evan, Tucker, and Lorii agreed. However when Tucker got voted out at fourth and called Evan out for riding coattails, Evan FREAKED. He was like "I FUCKING HATE TUCKER" and "I CANNOT STAND HIM" "I WOULDN'T EVEN WANT HIS JURY VOTE IF I WAS FINAL TWO." I was like..holy christmas, where the hell did you come from? Twenty minutes ago we were like besties, and now you fucking hate him? I just didn't understand the rationale behind it, because it was so unlike Evan to act that way.

Finally Dear Lorii, my lil partner in crime....
1. Unusual- Um heller, shes a NEWF! I love Lorii. I think she's so incredibly unique. I mean just looking at her pictures the way she uses her words, how she says things on skype, Lorii is an unusual lil chic, and I absolutely adore her quirkyness. I've had so much fun getting to know her, and all her little tendencies, and she's definitely not like any other person I've ever encountered. <33
2. Forgetful- Clearly because she drinks so much. Bah, just kidding! I say forgetful because sometimes Lorii and I got ourselves caught up in so many alliances we forgot which way was up. She'd be like..Joey did we promise this person something? Or I'd say...Lolz Lorii did you ever tell this person we were gonna do that thing? We had alot of deals and alot of scheming going on, that sometimes it was hard to keep track. That is clearly why it was a two brain operation. Or maybe its only a one brain operation and Lorii and I are only functioning on halves. Who knows.

I think I covered everything you asked for. I know it was your Disney version and I do thank you for giving me a less severe list to work with. Enjoy Erik (if I had to use demonic, you'd get it for making me do this..lol).

[erik]

Thankyou Joey . I should be able to post my very short follow up question after Lorii gives me her answers (hopefully) tomorrow. If you need a Disney list, Lorii, please let me know ASAP.

[downycanadian]

sneaky and bi-polar <3

good answers joey.

[Alex]

Can someone tell me what Belligerent is?
I thought I'll have Bi-Polar tbh

[Joey]

I've always associated Belligerent with drinking, and we all know you love the liquor, lmao.

According to dictionary.com it means hostile or assertive. To be it has always been a word associated with someone who was drinking or drunk at the time.

To me it means you are a little more blunt, a little more honest, and a little more harsh when you've had a little more in you..lmao. Like the night you were insulting people or maybe just specifically Alyssa and then made the apology thread the next day lol.

["Tucker"]

I remember telling you that was harsh and then you said something about tacos and we moved on.

This was in reference to Sandy putting Alex's boot pic as a taco, Joey mentioned this to me and I replied;

"And I'm the racist?" to which Joey laughed

[loriiann]

Erik, I still haven't decided what list to use.
Post a PG one just incase.
My answers and also lovely response to your questions will be up tonight.
Thanks.