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Post by Joey on Aug 4, 2009 14:14:18 GMT -5
This was in reference to Sandy putting Alex's boot pic as a taco, Joey mentioned this to me and I replied; "And I'm the racist?" to which Joey laughed You are defo right. That was after the boot picture was posted. Though I do remember telling Lorii, and possibly even Britti and yourself that I thought what you said about Alex wasn't exactly called for..lol.
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Post by Evan on Aug 5, 2009 0:45:35 GMT -5
Joey, when you voted me out I very clearly told both you and Lorii I had no problem being friends with either one of you I just did not understand the logic behind you voting for me. I don't know how you can say that is typical when everyone else on this jury you kept crying to me about all game was supposedly a sore loser according to you because you voted them out before they had a chance to get rid of you. I on the other hand was completely loyal to you and didnt understand why you would vote me out unless you thought Lorii would be easier to beat in the Final 2. All I wanted was an explanation from you which you were unwilling to give thats the only reason I was upset I dont see how that is typical at all or has anything to do with what happened between you and the other jurors.
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Post by Joey on Aug 5, 2009 0:53:28 GMT -5
Firstly, I never "cried" to you about anyone. I said I didn't understand why people had to get so personal when they were leaving the game.
Yes, I admit I did not understand why people had to be so harsh right before some of them left the game. I didn't understand the name calling and what not and my feelings were hurt by some of the things said about me in those messages/posts/conversations.
However, I NEVER called anyone a sore loser ever. And I never said they were mad cause I got them out before they got me out. Not once did I ever.
The only thing that got me upset/annoyed was how shit got so personal before some people left. That was it.
I just want to clear that up.
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Post by Evan on Aug 5, 2009 1:21:25 GMT -5
Ok so how did I get personal with you Joey? You called me typical like every other juror who got personal with you after you voted them out and I would love to hear what I did to you that was so terrible. All I said was I feel bad that you would hand away the game I dont understand what you're doing can you please explain it to me but you were unwilling to do so and I got upset but I never once lashed a personal insult towards you all I ever did was question your logic behind your decision to vote me out.
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Post by Joey on Aug 5, 2009 1:35:02 GMT -5
Evan you make it sound like you were completely calm, collected, and cordial to me when you were voted out. That was not the case at all and even Lorii can vouge for me because during your whole rant against me she was telling me "chill out, don't let him get to you and ruin what we've accomplished."
You would not let it go. I told you my loyalty was stronger with Lorii, and you wouldn't take that as an answer. That is as simple as it was. My loyalty to Lorii was stronger than it was to you and that is why I chose her. You said yourself I had no chance of beating anyone in the final four anyway, so what did it matter. My loyalty was stronger to Lorii.
It was an answer you could not accept, thus you are saying I never answered your question. I DID answer your question you just didn't like the response.
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Post by Evan on Aug 5, 2009 1:37:19 GMT -5
Because I told you that you did have a chance against me but you had no chance against Lorii and you didnt seem to care that is what frustrated me so much. I got upset because I felt like you were handing the game away and thats not the way Survivor is meant to be played. I never once lashed out any personal insults like the other jurors though so I dont see how what I did was typical at all.
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Post by loriiann on Aug 5, 2009 1:56:52 GMT -5
Erik, not gonna kid, when I read this my heart literally sank. I still don’t even really know how to respond to this... I feel like you took me voting you out way way to personally, and thus responded with a personal attack to me. Maybe Joey won’t take this so harshly, but I did. You can ask him. I didn’t know wether to laugh, scream, fucking punch something or cry. I know I may have made you feel shitty, by voting you out of a game, but you are making me feel shitty on a personal level. I just want to get this all out because once this is over I won’t harbour any ill feelings towards you, and the relationship between us that happens after this game is totally up to you. I want to be your friend, but now the question is directed back to you.. So you can let me know when this is all over and done with... just need to get this off my chest.. Im not going to just sit her and let you (or, maybe I am just being retarded) insult me and not say nothing just so I can maybe get your vote.
I think its absolutely absurd that you think I played this game the way I did because I wanted to prove I’m not a loser.. Sorry babe, I don’t think I’m a loser.. Well, maybe when it comes to some of the geeky things I do, but other then that.. You don’t have a right to call me a loser even if you just meant it game wise .. I do believe I made my lowest placing in these games was 6th place. So no, even IN these games I am not a loser, let alone a total loser. I am also pretty sure I redeemed myself from that first challenge, by winning a bunch of them during merge. So no, I am not a loser, Erik. Secondly, I pretty much just want to smack you up side the head and yell it’s a game. I’m sad if the fact that I can separate game and friendship makes you hate me. I guess thats just a difference in us. But Erik, if I stood here and let every friendship I made in this game outweigh my game play, I would be sitting out pre-merge, what’s the point of that? What’s the point of playing a game if not to win it? I guess that is just one of the different views we have. People who are real friends will be able to look back on this and laugh in a few weeks or months time, and say fuckk man you got me. That’s what I did in both Hawaii and All-Stars. Got blindsided, spent a few recovering then laughed my ass of with those who did it to me. I just don’t take this personally. So if we are really meant to be friends Erik , this will all just be something we joke about down the road... like I said, balls in your court. Now, Sorry if I seem retarded, but last night I was just a ball of emotions so sorry nothing really makes any sense.. But I guess I worded it wrong.. I knew you all knew it was me who sent out that letter, but you still let me in your circle .. At that point in time I just knew it was better to move on, I know you guys would have kept me around as long as possible .. But to say you would fully trust me again is a crock. Ahh, now to my favourite, me and my fake ass. Everything I said to you was ligit until that letter. I will go through in detail in a bit.. But I am not a fake person, I thought the world of you too, and I still fucking do now, like as I type this I am getting over already the shit you wrote..because honestly Erik, I would have rather seen you vote me out of this game then write shit thats more then bitter.. But its cool, I’m all calm and shit.. Unlike last night.. Some snarl. And Erik, I did not shit all over our friendship, christ, I did not know voting you out off a game would make you hate the earth I walk on, but once again, it all comes down to personal lines and opinions on this, and I guess we are just different.
I just had to get that out before I answer your question, I felt it was a little to personal because I am not a horrible person Erik and I don’t intentionally ruin friendships...
Question time..
All My Lies and Fakeness:
Sighh, sad to disappoint you but I didn’t start lying to you and being fake till like a day before Joey was switched. Everything I said before then was 100% truth, all the newf lessons, all my random stories, all true. Also, everything I asked you, everything you told me, everything we talked about together I wanted to know. I thought and still think you are pretty amazing. And no, I’m not just telling you what you want to here, and you will see that I loved your face up until the Robbie incident, I then felt like you we’re closer to Alyssa, B, Alex, Jeff everyone over me. So anyways, like I said pretty much everything game wise I said to you from the point when Joey was switched onwards was completely bull. It started on the 5th of July, when you we’re asking me on who you guys should steal and I told you Joey because he had no vote.. Everything game related was then on a lie and fake and I told you what you wanted to here about the game. So yeah, let me know if you want me to post the entire convo log and highlight the game parts that we’re bull and lies, because pretty much all of it was from July 5th on. Anything non game was the goddamn truth, and its up to you to believe it or not.
Secondly, I want to play a bit of a game. You two gave me a lot of bullshit while playing, and I am quite frankly tired of that. I am happy that neither of you have IMed me at all recently pandering me for my vote (Like Tucker). However, I don’t want to see an ass-kissing fest in this jury as you both battle for the votes it wields. Therefore, my second question is aimed at sorting through that. I am going to give you each a different list of 17 adjectives. It will then be your job to assign each jury member as well as your opponent TWO of these adjectives that you think best suit them, along with an explanation of why they were given those adjectives. The fun part about this game is that the adjectives are all very mean and poor qualities .
Now, this isn’t to say that you exactly believe these things about these people. I’m sure they have very many good qualities too. But if you HAD to pick bad qualities, which would you assign them?? That is what I intend to find out. And please, no cop outs. Srsly. So, here are your lists:
Lorii:
ERIK- Ugly & Jealous. Ugly because your rant hit a new low in iSurv History I believe ( ill get over it, but it was still HORRIBLE) And because this question is just plain ugly.. It has nothing to do with your looks... Jealous, because you even said yourself you would usually root for the underdog story Joey and I have wrote, but didnt just because you were involved.
RB- Lazy & Vain. He sorta just expected us to stick with him after he tried and stirred the pot, not to mention he didnt do it till it was totes to late. Lazy and Vain . Bam.
B- Inbred and Oblivious. We blind sided you, aka oblivion. And Inbred because you( I know I am too! Its worse in NL) are Canadian? Sorry, I didnt have anything else for you haha.
JEFFREY - Creepy & Pitiful. I find your Asian love wrong (not that I am racist or anything, I do love me some European) but like you are the first person I have EVER encountered that was totally and completely inlove with Asians. Wow. Pitiful because your display of actions before getting voted out, was just that.
ALEX - Bitchy & Foolish. You are foolish because you put to much trust into too many people and are a drunkie like me and Bitchy because you told me thats what people at work call you. PLUS your question is a total bitch.
EVAN - Pathetic & Stupid. He even said him self that he rode Rob’s coat tails to the F4, and he believed that I was totally with him even though we kept switching alliances and only went back to him once Jason & Alyssa we’re out and we felt we couldn’t trust B.
ROB - Arrogant & Ignorant. You choose to be arrogant and ignorant to Alex when he was obviously the odd man out, and apparently to other people? I didn’t find you to be this way to me, but from what I here, I guess these? JOEY - Diseased & Disgusting. Well , I always call him a whore or a slut , so this fits.
Woopsies if this is not what you intended for me to do Erik, but I tried to relate them as much to the game as possible, because these are dirtay words I would only use on people in my real life I know a lot and want to punch. But, I did it. So there
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Post by Evan on Aug 5, 2009 2:00:38 GMT -5
Lorii just when did I ever say that I rode anybody's coat tails? That is total bullshit!
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Post by loriiann on Aug 5, 2009 2:10:28 GMT -5
Okay, Got to clear this up, because apparently, AND I QUOTE , he just used Rob to take him through the whole game to F4, and apparently he could have done the same with RB..... He never rode his coat tail.. sorry for the confusion Evan.
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Post by Evan on Aug 5, 2009 2:13:55 GMT -5
Lorii I didnt say to take me through the whole game again you are putting words in my mouth I said I knew Rob would not vote me until the final 4 so I used him to help get myself to that point. It's funny how nobody mentions the way I carried him when he was away on vacation for 2 weeks and I made sure his name never came up once at tribal council whenever our tribes lost.
Just to clear this up here is the convo Lorii just sent me that she is basing the fact I supposedly admitted to riding cout tails. As you can see I clearly said the exact opposite:
just tru fax (9:08:09 PM):Congratulations tot Evan for riding my coattails see you on jury.LoriiHearn (9:08:12 PM):Rob, you knowI love you.CoOL L1Ke wHOa (9:08:14 PM):LMAO LoriiHearn (9:08:19 PM)::OEsoshnick (9:08:25 PM):in your dreams buddy boyCoOL L1Ke wHOa (9:08:31 PM):OkayCoOL L1Ke wHOa (9:08:35 PM):Moving on to our final challengeEsoshnick (9:08:44 PM):I did not ride anything of yours I knew all about your deal with LoriiEsoshnick (9:08:53 PM):I was using you to get to this point and it workedEsoshnick (9:08:55 PM):enjoy the juryjust tru fax (9:08:56 PM):"omg i wouldnt have made it wihtout you guys!!!!11"Esoshnick (9:09:00 PM):LOLEsoshnick (9:09:04 PM):that was the planEsoshnick (9:09:07 PM):peace out mate
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Post by loriiann on Aug 5, 2009 2:16:41 GMT -5
Christ almighty, I guess we just think it differently Evan, whatever.. I am not going to get in some petty fight with you..
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Post by Evan on Aug 5, 2009 2:17:50 GMT -5
Yea some people read a conversation and interpret it for what it actually says...then there's you Lorii
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Post by erik on Aug 5, 2009 2:27:43 GMT -5
The way you answered my second question is perfect, Lorii. Thank you for having the balls to answer it, and I definitely laughed a few times. Vury nice. I do have a response to the other parts of you answer which I will get to soon.
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Post by erik on Aug 5, 2009 2:59:39 GMT -5
Okay, I would first like to comment on the beginning of your response. I was not *calling* you and Joey losers, I don't think you're losers. I was framing the mentality that I think helped fueled you guys to do what you did and shape your underdog storyline. You came into this game after two 6th place finishes with a lot to prove I think. Always going far, but never getting that win. Joey I was referring to more, because he was such a WTF and underdog the whole game, and it's obvious he thinks he had a lot to prove. You both bonded over the fact that you were huge underdogs, and by definition, an underdog is someone who should be on the bottom but rises to the top, hence my use of the word "loser". It was more of a figure of speech for having a lot to prove. I think you're a really good player, but that you wanted to prove you were one of the *best* and not just some losah! I'm sorry you took it the wrong way. Now, as for the rest, voting me out was not shitting all over our friendship. Swearing to me on our friendship when it was an obvious lie was shitting all over our friendship. I take that shit seriously Lorii, and when you lie while swearing on our friendship, that pretty much implies to me that it's not worth it being friends! Lol. I truly thought we had something special, and I suppose I was just foolish for thinking that. I do understand and see what you're saying about it being just a game, and why play if not to win?? (I loved your Poker analogy, about how you wouldn't play to lose poker, even if it is obvious pandering to the gambling addict in me . haha jk. But I just can't play like that. At least not anymore. Winning isn't worth it, and I take the personal relationships seriously. I'd never be able to do to you what you did to me, ever, and maybe that is why we see so differently on this. Maybe we're just wired differently. I dunno. But from my perspective, it just hurts a lot and makes me wonder about a lot of things. From what I can gather from your answers, the way you played this game was by forming genuine bonds with people but by using those bonds, relentlessly, to your advantage in the game and taking personal connection into no account whatsoever, but doing what is best for you to get you to the end. Is this more or less what you're trying to tell us? I pretty much could not play like that, I don't have it in me, and although I am considered a good player I do lack that cut throat, do anything mindset that can actually be very beneficial. I think I make up with that with my intuition and ability to relate to and read people and how they feel about me. What probably bugs me the most is how wrong I was about you, and our friendship, at least from my perspective that is how it seemed. I am usually pretty spot on . But, as you seem to think, in a game like this you can do anything. Swearing on friendships, your parent's lives, whatever it takes, I assume you think all of that is fair game? I see Survivor as a microcosm of the real world . The only difference is that in here, you're forced to show who you truly are. A random person on the board I am an admin on posted this quote from someone else in their confessional today, and I thought it was very nice and fitting. The quote is.... "Reality gaming is a test of the human soul. It is a test of our will, morality, perseverance, and character. Without it, we would be one step farther away from truly knowing who we are as a person and as a human race." IF we were friends in real life, there's a multitude of situations that could come up very much like Survivor. Maybe we're trapped in a frozen newfie iceberg with no food, and have to pick someone to eat! It's disheartening to know I may not be able to trust you in that situation. Or maybe something as simple as Lorii is going to a party and inviting only 3 people. Which of her friends does she choose?! If you decided to eat me because I was strong and a threat to you, I'd be totally pissed! And I feel like that would go against any supposed "genuine friendship" we were supposed to have. Whereas with someone like Britt, I don't think she'd eat me until she absolutely had to. That's the difference I see, and it's hard for me to get past it. But, alas, you don't seem to think this game has anything to do with real life at all. Anyway, I'm mostly just rambling now, but feel free to respond. Above it all, I do still adore you Lorii and think you're really fun, funny, amazing, all that good stuff. I'm just trying to understand you and your mindset. We all think differently, and I get that, I can't be angry if you're wired a different way than I am. But I also have my own way of thinking of things, and this is it .
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Post by loriiann on Aug 5, 2009 3:39:47 GMT -5
Not really gonna say much, except;
I wouldn't swear on my parents, cause I would die for them. And take me out of a competition, and I am the bestest friend ever, but in certain circumstances Im horrible, Ill be the first to admit.
Yikes on the quote! Not my cup of tea there. I think its retarded to think we should be judged on who we are as people from these games.. I could get totally heated about this, but once again its just our difference off opinions.
And believe me, I am not wired like anyone else in this world, because if that happend, the world would implode.
But yeah, we are just different, its cool , different opinions and stuff, s'all good. Oppsites Attrack! haha , kidding.
Thanks.
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