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Post by Park on Jun 18, 2009 18:35:02 GMT -5
Palau was rigged for Tom, ugh... It makes me sick AND I read somewhere that he is one of the smartest players ever. He only looked smart because he was surrounded by idiots!
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Post by M@TTHEW on Jun 18, 2009 22:16:58 GMT -5
1. Elizabeth on survivor was love, now she is disgusting. 2.Tom Westman's win sucks eggs. 3. Stephenie is gross. 4. Lex on all stars makes me want to commit a capitol crime.
that is all
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Post by Park on Jun 18, 2009 22:18:36 GMT -5
1. Elizabeth on survivor was love, now she is disgusting. 2.Tom Westman's win sucks eggs. 3. Stephenie is gross. 4. Lex on all stars makes me want to commit a capitol crime. Anyone
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Post by M@TTHEW on Jun 18, 2009 22:20:15 GMT -5
and I approve of it
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Post by andy on Jun 18, 2009 23:29:03 GMT -5
OKay, time for my thoughts. As usual, this will be more in-depth
1 Star Seasons: Never should have been done
18. MARQUESAS: I hate this season. Hate it. Damn near slept through the season, which is hard for me to do. Boring cast, (Boston Rob, Sean, and Kathy were the only interesting people to make the merge). It started off great, but too many of the interesting people got whacked early on, (Peter, Hunter, Sarah, Gabe). It touched on racism, as Sean was convinced the show was working against him and Vecepia becasue they were black. They even tried to use the race card to stay alive, (which failed). Now I don't mind Vecepia personally, but she's undeniably the worst winner in Survivor history. As bad as it was, can you image how much worse it would have been if the Rotu 4 had made it till the end? I'd have stopped watching probably.
17. THAILAND: This one was pretty bad too. If Marquesas was bad becasue of the lack of drama, Thailand had all the bad drama, including the infamous Grindgate incident and Robb trying to scrangle Clay. I like me some drama, but Thailand was way too mean-spirited of a season. Plus, the cast was possibly even worse than Marquesas. Shii Ann and Jake were maybe the only two likeable people in the whole cast. Shii Devil was screwed by the fake merge twist. Jake was screwed by the Pagonging his tribe received. Pagongings always hurt a season's fun factor because it gets too predictable, but even after the Sook Jai tribe was wiped out, the game stayed predictable. You knew Brian was winning this thing long before it was official. And that is in part due to the most unlikeable final 4 ever. Brian, Clay, Jan, and Helen. Eek. The only reason that this season ranks higher is because it didn't bore me to death. It was just too controversial.
16. FIJI: This was during the height of Survivor's casting approach of recruiting just about the whole cast, (in this case, Gary-AKA Santa Clause-was the only person who applied) and also was when they cast an equal number of people per race. That strategy worked in Cook Islands in large part because Cook Islands was full of interesting characters and the drama and twists were compelling. Fiji's cast was just plain boring, the drama was again mean-spirited, and the way too many twists were awful, (Haves vs. Have Nots looked pretty good on paper though). Casting people who had no clue how to play the game was okay back in Borneo and Africa because the game was new back then. But Fiji was the 14th season, the fans knew how to play the game, so it was pretty frustrating to watch most of the cast have no clue as to what to do. I fully believe that Earl, Dreamz, Cassandra, Yau-Man, Alex, and Edgardo were about the only people who knew what they were doing. It's perhaps fitting then that they all made it to the final 9. As with Thailand and Marquesas, there weren't many people worth rooting for. Yau-Man of course rocked, but after that, you almost wanted to root for Earl more because he was Yau's buddy and wasn't an idiot more so than because he was interesting. Earl is a good winner though. He played the game well. Plus, it was great drama seeing if Dreamz would stupidly give up immunity in exchange for keeping his word to Yau-Man over the truck.
2 Star Seasons- Disappointing, but not truly awful by any means
15. ALL-STARS: Why is it that All-Star seasons never work out? iSurv1vor, Survivor, Big Brother, none of them worked out. In this case, it just got too personal with the cast. Boston Rob and Lex's issue was the biggie of course, (at the time when I first watched it, I was totally on Lex's side. Now, I think he was just being an idiot and totally blew his chance to win the game. Had Amber been voted out, Alicia jumps sides and we have a whole new ball-game). Jenna L's anti-winner tirad was stupid and totally bitter. Richard and Rob C got voted out way too soon. Jenna M and Sue quit, (Jenna for good reason as it turns out, Sue.....not so much). Sue bitched out Jeff Probst. Lex got pissy at Boston Rob for.....PLAYING THE GAME?!?!?! The horrors! Oh, and just about everyone played horribly. Sheesh! Definitely the biggest letdown ever for Survivor for sure. You either loved Rob and Amber or hated them. My first time watching, I wanted to puke watching them together. Oh yeah, the season was pretty predictable post merge, which sucked worse. This season was like at Christmas, expecting an PS3.....and getting an Atari 5200, (for those too young to remember Atari, the 5200 was probably the worst system ever invented).
14. PANAMA: This season had some potential to it. An interesting first twist, (Old vs. Young as well as Men vs. Women) and a very good cast, (Terry, Cirie, Shane, Aras, Bruce, Courtney, all memorable) and the introduction to Exile Island made this season look like another A+ season waiting to happen. Yet I feel underwhelmed by this season. The 4 tribes twist didn't last nearly long enough, (1 episode? That's it?!). Probst said it was becasue there weren't enough people to do it longer.....well THEN CAST MORE PEOPLE!!! Duh! The Nice tribe (La Mina)vs. Dysfunctional tribe (Casaya) route would have been fun to watch, if La Mina was interesting at all. Aside from Terry, who do you remember from that tribe? Exactally. You almost wanted to root for Casaya just because they were at least interesting. And really, for all those interesting people, why focus SO much time showing how great Terry was and have everyone talk about how amazing Terry was....and then he loses at final 3? What a let-down. Worse is that Terry wasn't even the ultimate fan favorite that season, Cirie was. It's kinda like Big Brother 8 making Evel Dick out to be so awesome, and then America liking someone else more, (by the end of that show, freaking ZACH was more popular than him, that's pretty bad). That said, I won't completely trash this season. Shane was a great idiot villain who had no clue what was really going on. Cirie and Terry were both hugely popular. Aras was a decent winner, (although a let down in most people's eyes because he wasn't Terry). Aras vs. Terry is still arguably the greatest rivalry the show has ever had. I'd say this season wasn't bad. It was just disappointing. Aras vs. Danielle is a pretty weak final 2 when you consider it was almost Terry vs. Cirie. Plus, we almost had another Pagonging. And worst of all, Misty lost early on. WTF?! Still, not a horrible season, esspecially for being #14.
13. GABON: This season poliarizes fans. Some love it because it was very unpredictable. Others hate it for the terrible players and the idolification of Sugar, (a girl who apparently didn't deserve her ridiculously good edit at all). I personally wasn't crazy about it. The fact that this is undeniably the dumbest cast ever, (according to many people, including Probst) really left a bad taste in my mouth, (esspecially after we just had to go through some terrible gameplay in the past few seasons before this one). When Sugar is the key factor in a lot of vote offs, your season is in trouble. Character wise, this had plenty of interesting people. Sugar, Kenny, Crystal, Matty, Randy, Corinne, Charlie, Ace were all great casting choices. Bob was a great hero character who lacked good gameplay skills, (and to be truly honest, only won because of Sugar, not because of anything he did). Most seasons would be great if they had just one of Randy, Corinne, and Ace as villains, let alone all 3 of them, (although I really doubt that Randy is really so evil in real life, I think he was playing for the cameras). It was nice to see the "good" guys win in the end, but all of them were flawed heroes. Bob and Matty were likeable, but weak players. Sugar was not so sweet. And Susie....don't even get me started on her. The fact that she was 1 vote away from winning is scary bad, although her winning would have been fitting for the worst gameplaying cast ever. I liked watching Crystal suck at everything and being a terrible representative to the Olympics. For me, I need good gameplay in a season for it to be good. Otherwise, it gets painful to watch. It wasn't totally horrible by any means, but watching Fang suck so badly, watch better players get pushed aside for flawed good guys, and having to deal with Sugar's false edit was annoying to me. So Gabon, while not a bad season, gets put at #13.
I'll get the next 6 seasons in tomorrow.
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Post by "Tucker" on Jun 19, 2009 9:31:33 GMT -5
Shii Ann wasn't screwed over, she assumed there was a merger. Her own fault and nobody elses.
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Post by andy on Jun 19, 2009 11:13:50 GMT -5
OKay back for the next 3 seasons...
(btw "Tucker", good point on Shii Ann. still, sucks for the fans as again she was one of maybe 3 likeable people from that season. Thailand still sucks as a season).
3 Star Seasons- Average for Survivor, but still very good tv
12. AFRICA: This season is usually considered really disappointing because it wasn't as good as the first two shows. While it isn't Borneo or Australia, Africa was still pretty good. The cast was very good with people like Ethan, Lex, Tom, Teresa, Frank, Brandon, and Clarence. It was the first time we saw a tribal swap, which made things interesting. After that, Africa falls off a bit. Survivor is supposed to be tough, but it isn't fun watching people suffer all the time. Plus, there was a bit of cluelessness involved here as most of the cast seemed to forget that Survivor is a strategy game firstmost. This allowed the Boran tribe to stay dominate most of the game despite Lex's truly idiotic move to backstab Kelly when he did, (a move only surpassed by Brandon's even dumber move of screwing Samburu and joining a Boran tribe that never trusted him). I like this season, but I like 11 other seasons more.
11. TOCANTINS: I'm a little surprised that I put this one so low actually. I really liked this season. However, there are flaws here. The cast was really good in my opinion, with J.T., Coach, Taj, Sierra, and Tyson all being really good casting moves. However, again very few of these people knew how to play the game. J.T., Stephen, Taj, Brendan, and Tyson were probably the only good gamers here, (I'm not counting Debbie, I think she was overrated). This might just be the funniest season ever as well, due primarily to Coach's ineptitude in everything he did. However, that was about the only thing to look forward to in the post merge episodes. Timbira's awful gameplay allowed Jalapao to breeze by after the merge and I think the game got predictable. Again, bad gameplay hurts this season for me, although the cast itself was very good.
10. VANUATU: This was the season that got me hooked on Survivor, (late bloomer, I know). So anyway, this season looked promising enough. Guys vs. Girls was brought back and it played a huge role this time. The cast was really good on paper too. Problem is, a lot of the better casting choices got voted out too soon, (Brook, Dolly, John P, Mia, Bubba, and Rory all missed the jury). While the rest of the cast was still good enough to make the season work, I think it could have been more interesting, (taking out Scout and Leeann would have been a good start). If you like it when the battle of the sexes plays out, then this season was right for you. One thing I will give this season is that it was pretty unpredictable. There were a lot of good blindsides, which helps out big time. Chris was a pretty good winner as a player, although he's not the most popular one ever. Having Chris, Twila, and Scout as the final 3 was pretty underwhelming considering the cast, although it was pretty interesting to see 3 older players make it to the end for once. Still, I can't help but think this season could have been a little better. Still pretty good though.
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Post by RB on Jun 20, 2009 12:54:21 GMT -5
18. Fiji - All the good people got the boot early like Jessica, Erica, Sylvia, Rita over ANTHONY for gawd sakes, Lilliana over Lisi or Cassandra or Dreamz!? The F3 absolutely sucked. People were just stupid in this season. Very stupid. 17. Vanuatu - Again, all the good people were getting the boot early. The first five boots were all good people and I felt like I couldn't watch any more of the season. Then the shitty older guys started getting kicked off but Chris weasles himself to the F3 with two other extremely unlikeable people in Scout and Twila and wins the game. AWFUL! 16. Palau - Ugh boring boring boring. The Ulonging sucked and Caryn, Tom, Katie, Ian, Coby were all horribly unlikeable people. Awful awful season. 15. Thailand - omg Chuay Gahn sucked. And then they got the upper hand after the fake switch. Like WHY!? Seriously. Sook Jai really dropped the bomb big time and Helen and Jan were just so dumb in the end. 14. Exile Island - The only good that came out of it was Aras winning. 13. Cook Islands - The only good that came out of it was Ozzy. 12. Africa - Bleh. Boran sucks and the switch screwed Silas and Lindsey over. Everyone was stupid at merge. I really dislike Big Tom. 11. Amazon - I hated most of the people that made the merge. RIP Ryan, Daniel, Jeanne, and Shawna. Thank gawd Jenna won. 10. Australia - Kucha hate except for Elisabeth, Jeff, Alicia, and Nick. Tina and Keith suck. RIP Maralyn and Mitchell pre-merge. If only Colby had sided with Amber, Mitchell, and Jerri at that vote that Mitchell left. I think the season coulda rocked lol. But no, it got boring and Tina ran the show **barf** 9. Borneo - Meh. Not too interesting strategy-wise as it was only the first game. 8. All-Stars - Good at the beginning, shaky middle, at least Romber made it a good end by making F2. Big Tom hate. Jenna L hate. Rupert hate. Kathy/Lex/Shii Ann were stupid to keep Amber over Jerri. 7. Micronesia - There were a lot of entertaining moments in the season and it ended well enough for my liking. It also started off well enough for my liking. All my favourites from the Faves made it to the merge. The Fan boots early on were disappointing with Chet and Kathy sticking around too long and Joel being a douchebag. But yah, solid season. 6. Guatemaula - I didn't like Jim, Rafe, Gary, Amy. Other than that everyone else was absolutely GREAT (including little Lydia and her pancake dance and the mute Cindy). 5. Pearl Islands - Surprising I liked most of this cast except for Andrew, Rupert, Jon, Lillian, and the shitty quitter Osten. It was all pretty awesome. I predicted Sandra would win from the very beginning and then she did lol. 4. China - Again a season where I predicted the winner on the first episode and it was extremely entertaining too and tons of scheming which I love. 3. Gabon - Loved everything about it except for Bob and Susie being in the F3 and both schooling Sugar in the vote 2. Marquesas - I loved loved loved Marquesas. The Rotu 4 got screwed and the game totally changed and was super exciting. Bad winner yeah...but so so entertaining. The storylines were great. 1. Tocantins - I can't help it. The latest is always freshest in my mind and I loved it!
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Post by taylorstreet on Jun 20, 2009 13:02:44 GMT -5
That's weird cuz Andrew, Rupert, and Jon are the ones I actually liked. I especially loved Rupert and Fairplay
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Post by Park on Jun 20, 2009 15:31:05 GMT -5
Interesting list... I HATED Rupert and Lil as well... UGH!!!
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Post by "JeffyPop" on Jun 20, 2009 18:29:42 GMT -5
Anybody who doesn't rank Cook Islands in the Top 5 is R A C I S T against azns. Becky and Yul, America's sweethearts <33333333 <3333333
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Post by kirin on Jun 20, 2009 19:26:32 GMT -5
andrew, i just was watching palau last night, and you dont give tom and ian enough credit. even though one of them always had immunity, the others couldnt have voted the other one off at any point, but they always had people on their side. the plan to get gregg was brilliant. tom and ian decided they plus caryn would vote for gregg and like 2 mins before TC ian goes to katie and tells her that plan, and tells her it'll go to rocks if she doesnt. brilliant!!
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Post by Zack on Jun 20, 2009 19:32:27 GMT -5
I'm the only one who loves Sugar. and idgaff if her edit was good! she's still sweet as sugar ~in my eyes~
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Post by Zack on Jun 20, 2009 19:32:49 GMT -5
second favorite survivor player ever~
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Post by taylorstreet on Jun 20, 2009 20:02:06 GMT -5
I loved Sugar
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